C5 tv 'Emergency Bikers'

[tfdodo]

New series of 3 programmes starts 8pm Wed 21st July on channel 5

Emergency Bikers

[WhiteBeak]

Its on right now with Charlie B narrating . Thanks for the heads up

[SimonJ]

Not a bad programme I thought. It's good to see anything putting motorcycles in a positive light. The paramedic work was the most enlightening I thought as compared to police bikers they're less well known. My gripe with the programme was that overall it was very similar to the 50 other fly on the wall, follow the police as they arrest drunk people type programme and there wasn't much shown about the motorcycling bit apart from 3 seconds at a time from the on-bike camera.

[SimonJ]

Programme 2 tonight had some 'bikey' content in the form of footage of a lady police rider undertaking training. This feature will continue next week so keep a look out.

[WhiteBeak]

I could start a divisive discussion here re the future for emergency bikers
As far as I know there are no biker paramedics in Avon for many years now
I would never run a business employing emergency bikers because there is far too much liability for the benefits achieved
Do they get there any quicker within the law ?
Can they carry enough gear?
Can they operate effectively on their own?
Are they cost effective ?
Are they safe to other people ?
Are they safe to themselves ?

Discuss........

[ozzzie]

More emergency bikers, this time for the fire service.

[ozzzie]

Do they get there any quicker within the law ?

I can't think of anything that can get through a sea of cones more quickly.

[WhiteBeak]

More emergency bikers, this time for the fire service.

I am glad that it is a trial

Anyone tried using a fire extinguisher in real life. Maybe you have? I employ the fire service to do a real life demos on our premises.Always good fun. Extinguishers are next to useless unless used immediately. How soon will that bike arrive on your premises? Hairbrained idea IMHO. The whole building will be in flames or in ashes before that bike arrives. You need to get people out of the building fast and need a bleedy ( cucumber again) great tanker if you have a real fire!

That bike will be good if any adults are stuck in child swings or have their heads stuck in railings though. I'd buy one for that... no I wouldnt, I'd buy a Smart car with a big flashing light and a big siren

I'd like to be riding that BMW if some young lass has her big toe stuck in a bath tap... oh no, I'd need a chaperone. I'm trying desperately to justify that bike .
Do you think it carries a syphon or one of those big long hoses?

[tfdodo]

Whitebeak,
did you read it, or maybe just look at the pictures ? The stunt riders bringing water-toting DR250's up your stairwell are in the next phase. This one is for wheelie-bin fires.
So we [yup, its us that pays for this stuff folks] can pay five [in Avon - no 4-manned Pump Tenders] firefighters to arrive in sixteen tons of fire truck with 850 gallons of water, so that four of them can sit on their butts whilst the fifth uses a high-pressure hosereel and a few gallons to put out a wheelie-bin.

Or... one guy on a bike can get there quicker [see your comment about timeliness when using fire extinguishers ? Then consider if you'd prefer to get an R1200RTP through Saturday afternoon traffic, or a 16-ton truck], leaving the fire truck to come put out your building (for which, it seems, you appreciate their being available).

I'll vote for {an R1200 sorting the wheelie-bin whilst my house gets five burly firefighters and a pump tender} over {we'll get to your house as soon as we've all sat in our crew-cab watching Simon put this wheelie-bin out} any day thanks. ymmv .

[tfdodo]

(although actually I reckon the wheelie-bin stuff is just to put the local Trafpols off the scent, I think they're kick-ar*e Nitrous bottles for the inter-services Drag Race later this year )

[WhiteBeak]

Wheelie bin fires cost the fire service a staggering £50m per year and account for two lives each year. Some councils are issuing locks.
How many extinguishers does a bike carry? Once it is spent, it needs to return to depot
What does it carry, foam/co2/water ?
Any firemen in BAM to contribute to this?
Lots of questions
Which is faster in an emergency situaton with sirens and flashing lights at legal speed limits? Forget the romance of filtering and tight manoeuvres.
I'll suggest that a smart car will get at the scene at the same time
Ill suggest that a smart car is cheaper tu purchase (£2500 cheaper) and cheaper to run than a BMW RT
I'll suggest that a smart car is safer for the occupant
A smart car has a much greater payload and can carry multiple cylinders of different types

The fire service small fires division does not need to use the big guns and cherry pickers, but to turn up carrying a water pistol is foolish
Bikes are toys, they are not serious work tools
(I am fishing)

[tfdodo]

selectively...

Wheelie bin fires cost the fire service a staggering £50m per year and account for two lives each year. ...

wow

Which is faster in an emergency situaton with sirens and flashing lights at legal speed limits?

legal speed limits for the Fire service are .. like the Isle of Man NSL for the rest of us .. unlimited [provided the observance of such limits would hinder the use of the vehicle for the purpose it was being used for on that occcasion]

Forget the romance of filtering and tight manoeuvres.

If they are relevant, why ?

The fire service small fires division does not need to use the big guns and cherry pickers, but to turn up carrying a water pistol is foolish

that all depends on whether the water pistol is fit for purpose or not.

Smart cars may be a tad extreme, but it's noticeable that the UK is very firmly wed to 16-ton fire trucks. Paris has almost entirely large-transit-sized fire trucks, and most of my "rather pilot an R1200 or a 16-ton truck" arguments apply almost as much to a Transit...

..and I think the expression is 'trolling' rather than fishing, but I wont cry foul until I give it up too

[timmygore]

What say we give the fire-bikes a fair trial, and not endlessly debate whether a 2CV or a roller-skate is the preferred choice?

Surely, it is a matter for horses for courses (other than for vested interest groups like the FBU - who are likely to have some concerns about potential de-manning, as well as any technical appraisal aspects). As a contributer to the Council Taxes, I, for one, would like to see new possibilities given a fair assessment before the judgements are concluded.

Regards,

Tim

[tfdodo]

maybe if one tank were nitrous & the other were water ?

[ozzzie]

maybe if one tank were nitrous & the other were water ?

25 litres of nitrous? On a BMW?